Learning

Who Does Lindy Hop Belong To?

My response to this post here.

From my experience, African diasporic dances created outside the USA are treated better than African diasporic dances birthed in the USA. As an example, at the ballroom studio, where I started dancing swing, they taught us that merengue came from the Dominican Republic. Swing (i.e. labeled "jitterbug" at the time), no history.

There's another studio here where the African diasporic dances birthed outside the USA are labeled by their given names. For their special Lindy Hop class with a Lindy Hop instructor, it was promoted as Jitterbug.

At one of Denver's establishments, Lindy Hop is known as America's dance born in Harlem named after Charles Lindbergh's legacy flight. It's encoded as Black (born in Harlem) though not explicitly said where it's owned by America (distinctly white) named after a white American. For years, it was also shared to thousands of people that Lindy Hop died and was saved by white people. It took a Black queer person two summers ago to demand that the white instructors say Lindy Hop is Black so the instructors started giving proper attribution in class. That Black person is gone so who knows what's been happening?

So when white-led swing dance groups will avoid saying this dance is called Lindy Hop and rose within the Black Harlem community where it's been long-practiced tradition, I understand your friend's point. There's cultural theft at every stage where you, the participant, are supposed to somehow understand that Blackness is implied.

Moving Together Across Generations

I recently learned about Swing Riot in Dunedin, NZ because someone shared they’re really good about incorporating families and children at their events. This sparked my curiousity and I learned this was part of their kaupapa, defined as: “Kaupapa means principles and ideas which act as a base or foundation for action. A kaupapa is a set of values, principles and plans which people have agreed on as a foundation for their actions.” Our contact there shared - “Our kaupapa for Swing Riot is to teach and promote the music and dance and share its history within our wider community so I see doing events for our smaller folks as part of that.”

I truly enjoy this concept and how it’s incorporated at Swing Riot. This information also came at a time when I’ve been thinking about how accessible swing dancing can be across generations and ability levels.

Three generations dancing together

I don’t know about you, dear reader, but how many times have you been experienced the questions of - isn’t Lindy Hop fast, athletic, rhythmically-challenging, bouncy, for young fit people? While it can be all those things, Lindy Hop can be so much more - chill, cool, smooth, glidey, elegant or calm. These are just some of the reasons why we strive to demo a variety of ways to move your body while teaching diverse rhythms so you have tools to express yourself. Though sometimes the best tool could be saying “no, this song isn’t for me” :)

Regardless of where we teach, we strive to meet students where they’re at so they can have a good time dancing with each other. Holding a child? Take your time through a turn. Double amputee? Ask for balance support and let’s see what rhythms suit you. Injured right wrist? Let’s only use the left and see how creative we can get. Dancing on cobblestone? Let’s be chill, swing the rhythm through our bounce and forgo certain rhythms. Name of the game is mutually caring for each other and finding freedom with each other. Dancing Lindy Hop spans all ages and all abilities.

We Have A Venue Accessibility Form!

We have a venue accessibility form! Big thanks to Max, Von, Noelle and Addie for their contributions shaping this form. You’re welcome to view and perhaps fill out if you manage a venue that already works with us or wants to!

Since our first Lindy Bop event, we’ve been striving to create Accessibility Guides for the various venues where we host events. Others include -

As you can see, they are a work in progress and inconsistently include the venues we’ve worked with since March, 2025. One example is us needing to include parking information for Little Man (thanks, Noelle, for asking!). We appreciate the folks asking questions and commenting.

We’ll even include a blurb about Lindy Hop or whatever dance style we’re featuring so people can better plan ahead. Increasing access and providing information ahead of time is crucial.

Due to our learning process, I wanted to help us reduce leaving important access information from our guides so I compiled everything we’ve included from past forms and new ones like parking and, even more, recently lighting. So take a look! What do you think? Are there other accessibility factors we ought to consider?

Financial Story of the Inaugural Lindy Bop

Have you ever wondered about the financials of running an event? Max S, Von B and I (Kenny N) would like to share the details of running Lindy Bop, an event we co-organized together February, 2025.

Why Lindy Bop?

Lindy Bop was conceived to be a safe space for those that value Black history, solidarity with workers, internationalism, accessibility, liberation and joy. Three distinct elements brought these aspects forward:

  • The event copy - “Come dance and celebrate Black History, Black Ourstory, and Black Futures!”

  • An accessibility guide

  • Max’s welcoming speech centering the night on freedom with each other, liberation and joy

Financial Breakdown

We hope that providing this event’s financial transparency might also inspire others to run their swing events centering Black American social dances. Please note that we collectively decided to donate profits to The Abolition Garden and the instructors chose to donate their time.

For payment convenience, we provided three in-person payment methods - credit card, venmo and cash along with a pre-purchase option via Humanitix instead of Eventbrite since we value their mission-forward platform. Although we set the ticket prices low to increase financial accessibility, if we were to repeat this event in the future, we would consider the practicality of sliding scale ticket prices so that anyone who wants to attend can.

The Labor Involved

Additional labor included designing social media posts using Canva, creating marketing copy, sending out at least one email newsletter, sharing the event with friends and acquaintances, recruiting volunteers, prepping class material, bringing PA equipment and planning safe space contingency plans. 

In summary

Another note is that our event ended up running during a heavy snowfall which led to reduced attendance. In the end, we felt fulfilled and gladdened about our collaborative event.





Exploring 6 vs 8-Count Patterns

A Redditor recently posed the questions on the r/swingdancing sub-reddit -

“Since many students have asked for it, we will teach a class (beg/int level) with this topic: How do dancers recognize the difference between 6 and 8 count steps?

Our final goal is to understand: It is not about 6 or 8, it is just about: Is the next one a step-step or a triple step.

How do you approach this topic? Any good excercises, you would teach? Any good ressources/videos which would help us to prepare this class?”

Here are some thoughts we had and shared:

  • dance to lots of music, giving students freedom to explore

  • walk the room, making observations, personally noting success with students, making inquiries when it appears that the outcome was different than one of the partners may have been wanting for themself and explore that.

  • acknowledge that how you make African-American rhythms visible on the dance floor (Jacqui S. Malone's definition of vernacular) is up to the individual though you'll provide rhythm ideas as the teacher

  • one place where we discuss rhythm choices is the passby - it can be accomplished with the QQSS rhythm or QQS triple step or QQ triple step triple step rhythms.

  • a place for decisions related to the length of a pattern likely along with rhythm choices is the send out and gather. You could do a send out much like an 8 count gliding step made linear where the indication to keep going is the leader adding to the momentum to get a walk walk. And for the students, it's good to note that we're co-creators in this event rather than having "gotcha!" moments.

For a visual example on how the second to last suggestion is employed, we have this recap video of our Beginner Lindy Hop class where we’re teaching a variety of patterns, rhythms and dances. Note that the triple step on the passby is a choice either partner can make and it might feel like a call to the other partner to respond to. Whether you do or not, is up to you!

So what do you think of our suggestions?


Lindy Hop on the Continuum

This morning I asked my son to point where the past is and he pointed behind him. As to where the future is, it’s in front of him. In the book, A Myriad of Tongues by Caleb Everett, we learn that the USA is WEIRD or Western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic which makes us weird “when contrasted to the bulk of human societies that exist or ever have existed.” Chapter 1, titled “Your Future Is behind You,” explores the many ways cultures judge time and tense.

But why talk about time? For the past few years, I’ve seen an increase in how Lindy Hoppers and West Coast Swing dancers market themselves. One is past or vintage and the other is modern. Can you guess which is which? For me, both dances are quintessentially of the present though confusion typically arises when a swing dancer inevitably states they “swing dance,” the person asking jumps to a conclusion and the swing dancer might experience frustration. I’ve gotten around the confusion by using the given name of the dance and, if I sense the need for futher explanation, provide that “I dance Lindy Hop, a dance created by Black Americans in the 1920s still danced today to swing music” or “I dance West Coast Swing, a partner dance danced to Top 40/Billboard charted music.” If it comes to it, I might even do a brief dance demo as a means of explaining as their baseline grooves are aesthetically different.

To quote Moncell Durden - “The name of the dance is lindy hop. The name of the dance is not swing dancing. Swing dancing is what you're doing. You're swinging to the swing band.” In other words, be specific and name the dance. Moncell, in The History of Line Dances, formerly on YouTube, also states “There is such a level of erasure when calling it swing dance or jitterbug and you’re doing such a disservice.”

On the subject of erasure, there is a potential for harm caused by labeling Black dances “past” or “vintage.” On pages 80-81 of Fear of Black Consciousness by Lewis R Gordon, Lewis writes -

  • “Another concept demanding illumination in the study of race is ‘modern.’ The term is so equated with being European and white that it is rarely defined otherwise. If, however, the modern belongs to now or the present, how, then, could those moments of the past belong to the present? Shouldn’t they be, in relation to us, ancient?

  • No people have reason to question their belonging to the present unless their legitimacy is challenged, as by conquest or colonization. If a group is promised no future, its present is jeopardized, and belonging becomes a feature of its past”

If we use labels such as these on continually practiced Black social dances like the partnered Lindy Hop or the solo Suzy Q that have been transformed over the years, are we saying the Black creators only belong or matter at the time of origin or mass adoption by white populations?

Let’s also reflect on excerpts from Marie N’Diaye’s paper, Rhythmic Resilience: An exploration of the African American Lindy Hop Community in New York City, USA:

  • She (Mickey Davidson) also explained that as the originators are transitioning, new “elders” from the global scene (which I understood as the ‘new heirs’) started to take more space and present their version of the story. A story which seems to ignore the young Black dancers present in the scene at the time

  • Mama Amaniyea was next to answer and seemed surprised at the term ‘Dark Age’, about this period of time she stated that “it was very lit to us, you know, we never stopped” and that in Baltimore “jazz continued, Big Bands continued. We had Hand Dancing here”. When it came to learning to partner dance she explained “we didn't go to school for stuff like that”. Dancing was something “you did in your living room, or the backyard, or the Black community you live in, wasn't in schools during that time.”

  • “Just because it got off of mass media, they think that everybody stopped. And we, we would [dance] in places where other people didn't want to come into those neighbourhoods because they were scared. But that's where, our light has always been. You can have a dance at a church, at all of the different social clubs that were in our Black community. Everybody danced, even when Frankie retired from the post office, the postal workers used to give some slamming parties, him and Scotty. And you know, and when we got to a certain point, we got invited to some of those parties. But that's what cultural art is.” Ms Mickey

Again from Amaniyea Payne in an interview with Sugarloaf Stomp where she also asked “who do you suppose kept the lights on” for Norma and Frankie to return to. :

  • “It was our golden age because we were working with the greats. It was being fed spirit and knowledge and humanity all at once”.

I think, rather than plucking these dances from the past and labeling them as such, we join in the continuum acknowledging their long-standing traditions having kept the “lights” on. And, if you’re a guest within the culture like me, you use language that speaks to the Black practioners’ experience. Let’s end on what Rennie Harris, Co-Director of Hip-Hop Studies at CU Boulder, shares here:

The origins of Street Dance are embedded in the social and political histories of marginalized communities. It is a testament to resilience and ingenuity that, without the support of mainstream institutions, communities crafted expressive dance forms to articulate their lived experiences. The term “Street Dance,” is a euphemism for community dance; specifically, it refers not to movement on physical streets but to the neighborhoods and social spaces in which these styles developed. Take note that when referring to the streets, its in reference to the community or neighborhood, not the actual street. This linguistic framing underscores Street Dance’s role as an embodied cultural archive—an enduring repository of Black and Brown histories, struggles, joys, and resistance.

You Drive, I Navigate?

Ever since I was introduced in 2010-ish to Brandi Guild’s concept of the follower as the driver, leader as the GPS unit, I’ve been utilizing that analogy when talking about dance roles. It’s more reflective of the interpersonal dynamics that happen on the dance floor and those dance values shared by Lindy Hop’s Black creators, past, present and future.

Recently, I had the opportunity to embody those values during a one-on-one software training session. My default would have been to show with the expectation they’d take notes, mental or written, and then see if they could duplicate my efforts but instead of I offered if they’d be willing to drive with my navigation. It went rather well with both of us having a bit of a struggle at times, me making sure I was communicating my IRL practice and her experiencing trial-and-error. Much like a dance, either person’s initiation can land us in a new place but we adapt and attune.

Lindy Hop Isn't For Everyone

“Lindy Hop isn't for everyone." Someone said this last summer and it's been living rent-free in my head since then. As a complicated truth giving rise to uncomfortable thoughts and feelings, it takes time to unpack, to be clarified, to be understood. This post from Niké Aurea, M.Ed Community Consultant, is helping distill my thoughts.

We discovered Niké fairly recently thanks to Instagram’s algorithm recognizing our research into community and what that word means. The Guilty Feminist shared on social media - “We loved this reminder from @seastersjones: true community isn’t about how often we gather — it’s about how deeply we care. Community requires commitment, accountability, and support. Without those, it’s just regular socialising. At The Guilty Feminist, we believe in building spaces where care is a practice, not a performance.” And elsewhere - “People often mistake socializing regularly for community. If there's no commitment for care, there's no community, no matter how fun the socializing is.”

Sometimes it seems that community is used much like inclusion - to maximally welcome people but oftentimes that inherently favors white, cis, het folks who centered their stories in the midst of the so-called “swing revival” in the 1980s/90s which reverberates today and de-centered Black, queer and other marginalized voices. We find these power dynamics still at play when folks use jitterbug/east coast swing to denote Lindy Hop, use language devaluing the role of following and individuals bringing their own unique expression to dances, and use coded language to denote Blackness while avoiding giving explicit ownership to Black creators for these swing-era traditions. As Niké states in another post, “Some folks genuinely feel comfortable having communities that are primarily white because it feels easier.”

Lindy Hop isn’t for everyone. To quote loudmouthbynature, “What a lot of white liberals don’t seem to understand is that Lindy Hop was an act of resistance against racism. It was a pathway to Black liberation.” So when we dance and teach Lindy Hop, are we resisting racism and white supremacy, and working toward Black liberation?

Kaitlin B. Curtice writes in Living Resistance, “I/you are always arriving” which pairs well with Barrett Holmes Pitner’s, “existence isn’t static.” You/I/we can change. Over the years we’ve changed and still will. It’s active work and one place this works shows up is in our Values and Responsibilities document which helps attune us with potential partners and collaborators.

A cornerstone to our guiding philosophy is the concept of being a cultural surrogate or tradition bearer, as coined by Black dancer, LaTasha Barnes. For us, this means treating Lindy Hop and other traditional swing-era dances as living dances, acknowledging their Black creators, naming what we teach by the names given by Black tradition-bearers, and being a proponent of Black dance tradition values - social, dance, kinetic. These values are reflected in making African-American rhythms visible on the dance floor, promoting equity on and off the dance floor, and sharing traditional jazz dance and social values. We acknowledge that others might enjoy keeping swing simple, light and fun. However, this approach tends to diminish BIPOC voices and experiences while ignoring the multi-faceted nature of Black dances and the realities Black people face. By holding each other accountable and aspiring to be comfortable with uncomfortable truths, we hope to make the swing community a better and more welcoming place for everyone.

Going to Harold Pener's

When I was a newer swing dancer dancing in Overland Park, KS, Randy, a scene regular, told me I needed to go to the pimp store for new dance duds. As he or another male dancer told me (memory fades after 20+ years), every swing dancer needed a pimp store. It’s where you get your zoot suit, flashy ties, snazzy suspenders and sweet shoes.

And Harold Pener’s was the go-to spot in Kansas City for the white jitterbuggers hopping on the neo-swing craze. Harold Pener’s was also the go-to destination for Black men wanting to look their best for church, Kansas City Two-Step parties and other functions important in their lives. So not only was I engaging in appropriating a Black dance form, Lindy Hop, I was costuming myself in Black culture’s clothing while engaging in derogatory terms for fashionable Black men.

It’s interesting when the present (see above) can elicit memories that cause you to analyze your previous choices. Some of the reasons for my choices then was peer pressure, desiring to fit in and having a lack of curiosity so I cosplayed Blackness. In reality, I was participating in something that was meant to be punk that became “small c conservative” according to this podcast hosted by Slate.

And you see the conservatism play out when swing school organizers choose teaching east coast swing, jitterbug or swing because, as they explain, that’s what the audience is most familiar with and it’s more inclusive this way. Dr. Thomas DeFrantz said it a talk for CVFC '- “Dance is technology transforming dehumanization into joy but Black people can’t hold the patent.” It’s about time swing dance school organizers honor Black culture rather than stripping cultural meaning from their creations.